January 17, 2008

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  • I’m not even sure I could weigh in on that one.  They are both so important to KB.  I guess if I had to pick just one for her to be taught in her schooling, I would pick music.  There is so much to music, learning how to read music and learning how to play an instrument.  You really need a teacher for all of those.  And there are many ways that I can stimulate her artistic side at home — even if I can’t teach her details about the color wheel or how to draw human subjects.

  • My *preference* would be paino.  BUT for my daughter I’d pick art because she leans that way more and she’d really like it.   But if *I* picked for them because they didn’t have a “favorite” it’d be piano.

  • I would say music as that was such a big part of my life and I can’t draw a stick figure well!

    Music helps development of other areas such as math, as math is such an integral part of music.

  • That’s like asking me to pick between Mint Chocolate Chip and Cookie Dough Ice Cream. Maddening!

    My first thought was piano, but I think that’s because I took piano as a child and regret not continuing it into my teen and college years.

    Regarding art, there are SOOO many mediums that can be developed from art, countless ways of expression and interpretation… Four little minds could come up four very different pieces of work, and that would be neat to see, in my opinion.

    So essentially, I’ve been no help.

  • depends on the child. it has to be something they love and will stick with.

  • easily piano. that is something I could not teach them myself. Art is much easier to learn from a book or curriculum. also most art classes for children teach very little technique and academic skill and focus more on exploration and just play. again easily guided by a book. So if we are talking about young children I would definitely go with piano. Piano is a foundational instrument that can be a spring board to all musical education, is a one size fits all instrument, takes little up keep and they will be proficient in a matter of years (Madeline is in her second year and can play almost any basic tune by ear, sight read music, knows basic music theory and has a pretty good grasp on proper form and technique. I consider this an adequate foundation). then they can choose to stay with and continue studying piano, move on to another instrument (which they would have a bit of a head start having a foundation in piano) or to study another type of art all together having a functional literacy in piano (or as my granny said “being smart enough to plink out the melody of hymn when you need it”. this is what she required of her children. when they could open a hymnal, plink out the tune and sing the hymn decently their mandatory musical education was done. they were free to continue and I think all 6 of her kids play some instrument very well.)

    Also why not both. You are in the ministry. There has got to be someone who will give your children piano lessons for free. pianos are typically easy to come by if you are willing to move them. I honestly only know one person who pays full price for piano lessons. We have a free option (family) and a cheap option (almost family) that we could barter with. We could also barter art lessons with a professional instructor though. if you really want both for your kids i would start working your connections. you never know what kind of talent it out there and what you might be willing to trade, beg, get for little. especially since you are buying in bulk. One of the reasons my friends can all get lessons for cheap is that they do it in a block and care for the teachers children while she is teaching. and I believe it also may involve supper when lessons are done for the day . . . My friend used to get lessons that way. they paid him a small amount – like $20 a month- and fed him on lesson nights and sent a couple of meals home with him (he was a single guy, this was a big deal for him to get home cooking). anyway what I am saying is if you really want both for your kids be creative. there may be more option out there than you think.

  • Oh Sandra is so smart! Yes, perhaps music since art can be self-taught, self-expression, etc… Music must be learned. Yes, that settles it. Music!

  • Depends on how they use them.  If this is supposed to be part time work as an accompanist, or lessons out of the home, piano.  We do know the sister of a concert pianist who makes his living from it, but that is unusual.

    Art is applicable to a lot of fields, from interior design to illustration.  I think I might choose art for profession over piano, but why give up piano?

  • Tough call. I think you can home school art at a young age. With all the kids being elementary aged you can give them the basics with all the different mediums and by watching some movies and reading books. But you want to make sure you give them ample time to experiment with all mediums, not just basic paint and crayons. That is just a normal kid playing. You want to make sure you find ways to teach them some of the thought behind what they are doing and ways to create new things and have fun with it. Unless you are proficient with a piano or another musical instrument, it is very hard to teach the piano. For the first few years, it is important to have someone teach the children the proper way to play. Like someone else said, have them learn posture, scales, notes, tempo and all those sorts of things. Once they are proficient with that, they can learn new music on their own and keep playing more complex music. Once they are to that stage, 2-3 years, then focus on professional art instruction. If they have been getting the base with multiple mediums, both on paper and the many ways to sculpture and build, they will be able to jump into more advanced art classes.

    For art lessons, you could even talk to a local schools art teacher and let them know you are home schooling and that you feel art is important and want to make sure you are not missing out on things you could be teaching your kids. Most art teachers feel there is not enough art in school and would most likely be more than willing to share the topics they cover and give you pointers on age appropriate activities. The boys should be doing different/more difficult projects then the girls. No, that isn’t a sexist thing, the boys are older. :)

    You also have a certain aunt who taught art for 35+ years and is an artist that may love to share her ideas of what her students liked best over the years and what she thinks is important to learn.

    Both are important, you don’t want to leave either one out.

    -Duncan

  • I would say Piano. But then again…my husband is a music teacher, so I might be biased. :)

  • I would think that it would be different for each child.  Some enjoy the music and would bloom out in lessons, others (like me) are not at all talented in music and enjoy the arts.  BUT,  arts are more often taught in schools and unless the child is in Band or Orchestra they will not be exposed to playing an instrument in public schools.   With the home schooled children you might alternate a year of each to let the child see which they excel in and want to continue.  I think I would start with the piano.

  • I would go with music (not just piano though, I’d see what interests the kids have and I have some strange feeling that Phoebe might be good with the violin) as that is something which is more difficult to learn on your own and most art classes I had when I was younger were either play rooms or “you draw what we tell you and you must do it our way”-creativity-stiflers.

  • both have their benefits, but music would be the one we would pick in this family. They are such a musical bunch.hehe

  • I have to go with totally depends on the child. Music has been great for my daughters…but for my son it’s sports lessons we have invested in. If the child does well with music I do have to say their music will take them places they would not otherwise go. 5 years ago my answer would have been music! MUSIC! Then my son reached that age… I need bungey cords to get him to stay at a piano ..so..yeah…it’s back to depends on the child…music is torture for some kids….and likewise sports was torture for my daughters!..and art has been torture for all my kids…we’ve always been firm believers that every kid needs “something” that’s “theirs”…that they do well and can work at and enjoy..they key is finding that kids “something” that God has gifted them with.

  • Piano- you can;t just create that like you can art, someone has to teach you piano. Art can be encourage and taught at any age professionally but piano is so much easier to learn at a young age.

  • I would probably go with piano myself, but ultimately I think you’ll have to rely on your (God-given) instincts. But I think you’ve gotten a lot of good advice already!

    Do you know of a good curriculum for pre-schoolers? I really think Bethany is ready to start learning her letters (by sight, I mean) and then eventually to start learning to read. She gets bored so easily, but she loves books! Even if it’s a general curriculum (not just reading), that would be great. Or even if you just have some advice…I would appreciate that too.

    RYC: I really appreciate your prayers!

  • Definitely piano.  Hands down.  Honestly, I just don’t appreciate art, but I can’t get enough music in my life.  I think making music is a gift and art is something you can do any old day… but that’s my opinion.

    Consider yourself tagged for a 7 things post.

  • Wow! What a lot of wonderful responses. I vote for both — music first and long enough to be able to do something well on the piano.  Basics of music are required for becoming proficient. This transfers to other instruments. . .always an option. They say being able to read is the minimum requirement for piano lessons.  Unless a child is obviously gifted and plays tunes with no help at an earlier age, you would do well to start the children right away. Yes, there are change outs which can make lessons ‘free’ so to speak. But most piano teachers make their living that way. You may find one who writes some music for her/his students in order to keep the cost down. . . but if you are really strapped and cannot afford piano for your kids, there is sure to be a God-provision if you ask Him. He is One who desires the music of our hearts to be presented in a skillful way — and everyone should have a channel of expression of God-praise.  Piano lessons open the door to that aspect of our living as Christ-followers and worshipers.

    Art is such a delight if it is something a child has a gift for.  Basic art appreciation is easily taught by parents with a few efforts at museum trips and nature drive with sketchbook in hand. . . You will soon know if your child sees creatively.  Developing latent ability is enhanced by visits to the public library.  Take home all the books on art adventures you can find.  Let them look at the art of various types of artists.  Soap sculpturing is fun  if you want to experiment with hand dexterity. Water color sets give kids a chance to do the ‘fill the paper with color’ experimentation.  The various hand made color medium which are good for applying color to large pieces of paper the size of a refrig — will tell you if there is a natural instinct to make a design — or if there is merely the fun of texture and color mixture.  I find our granddaughter ends up with purple and black impressionistic objects all over any paper before she is through with liquid medium.  She enjoys the mixing of colors but none of the creation of any recognizable forms.  Therefore I would say she is not gifted in art. . . but neither would I say some of the most famous artists in impressionistic and modern art stylings are gifted — but someone bought “Yellow band”  and “Red Glob” and other such ‘dynamic’ works done by someone who had to be related to the curator at the art museum. Otherwise, I doubt anyone would have ever hung such elementary ‘design’ as something to be emulated. 

    Of course, every one has their own thoughts about it. 

    As Christ-followers, we are easily led by the Spirit in matters of choosing for our children. He gives us wisdom as parents to keep open all the options He may desire for our children.  Free expression of ideas is one of them.  The mechanics should be taught early as a fun experience so enjoyment of the arts — music and artistic expression — are not made to be some drudgery, but something enjoyed. . . diligent practice for piano makes for gifted pianists.  Choose a teacher who is very patient but firm with children. Otherwise you may destroy any desire for musical expression if the teacher does not handle children well. 

    At least this is my experience.  All our children had piano AND art in their public school experience.  We also gave them all piano lessons as long as they were willing to practice — through junior high age.  At that age, sports took over for our son. He is still a musician — sings with his wife in public performance. Our oldest daughter loves to sing — but uses her music only in fun settings as an adult. Our middle daughter can play piano and sing a little — loves great music. Our youngest still sits down at the piano (grand) when she comes and plays through choir books and piano books. She sang in college with Voices of Lee. . and can play piano for herself as needed. . .but not for performance.  She sings in worship groups.

    These same brilliant children use Art in many ways.  David uses his art ability in graphics and photography.  He was taken to the Art Museum when he was young — exposed to all kinds of canvas work. . .etc. Deb uses her art ability in the many areas of creative expression required in managing the Limited stores across the country — the design and layout of the stores, the presentation of colorful clothing, the textured presentations against the textured displays, the backgrounds for the window settings, the input into marketing choices, etc., etc. She is the most gifted in art expression — the most developed skills, I should say.

    Our middle daughter uses her art in the choosing of accommodations for an airlines when they are opening up a new market someplace in the world.  A good eye for pleasing decor and the accompaniments which make for rest and relaxation are essential for housing the flight crews.  The choice of hotel will come partially because of the way they present their hospitality.  Art appreciation is part of that training which our daughter has had.  She would not think she is artistic. . . but I have purposely tried to create pleasing combinations in our home and table settings — coordinating colors and textures in a pleasant way.  After a while, your choices become instinctive. . .if you have been exposed to variety in all fields of art expression.  Amazing how much of our lives is called ‘art’.

    Our youngest is firmly fixed in a world of people moving — but does have highly developed art skills — in the sense of making choices along the lines of pleasing combinations.  Her wardrobe and home are often limited by her income limitations — but given a choice, she is governed by highly developed artistic appreciation. . . perhaps too much so.  But, she always is put together and chooses pleasing combinations in her life — whether it is for herself, her home and her business. Creating ads and organizing the offices and attracting customers is part of her world at the moment. . . all of which are influenced by artistic skills somewhat.  The eye for proper design in ad work or even in Internet creations come from the ability to spot various color and form complements and contrasts. 

    Amazing how artistic our family really is. . .but none of us could sell a painting.. . If that is what you are looking for.

    I have received compensation for playing piano and organ. I have never received a penny for my art work. . .unless it would be that I helped paint some church and parsonage rooms — and perhaps Jesus will someday reward us for volunteer labors. . .

    Sorry about the space. . . But I do have quite a family of artists and musicians, after all.  And none of them knew how to do it when they were born. . .but developing their God-given abilities is our responsibility.  The local library and various agencies in the community will list many free opportunities for such things.  Classes by individuals or stores or local universities often lead you to those who teach. . . some willing to give lessons for a small fee if the need is obvious.  You might get in on a class put on by a craft store. . . .by some art product company. . .and the local concert hall will usually have some free musical offerings for kids through the year.

    There is a ton of stuff online for school teachers which you will have access to, I am sure. Nuff said. . . .

    Go for the music!! Piano! The kids could paint a keyboard for an art project and write out the names of the notes. . . Double duty. . . A grand piano is always more fun than an electronic keyboard. . .but don’t overlook the options of electronic music…something is better than nothing.  Purists would say no to electronic. . .they would say never! But starting with a pure instrument like the piano is the best way to begin something requiring nothing more than a stool that is high enough.  Use phone books if you must. . . but get the posture and hand position right before letting them develop bad habits on a regular basis.  You COULD learn to teach piano with some online help. . . if you have any music background.  You could show the basics. . . I am sure. Piano books are very easy to find. . .and beginning lessons are so simple anyone could help. But very soon, you should slip into a great teacher to give a great start to a great life of musical expresssion.

    Art is an implement of expression which can go so many directions — but hand and eye skills are needing development in the process. . .the mind comes along and becomes more highly developed as music and art are taught properly. The discipline of the arts is essential to expanded expressions later in life. The refinement of human behavior often comes with the attention to detail. . . a commodity which is missing in today’s kids so often.  Appreciation for God’s world, the intricate details, is enhanced by training in the arts (music included). Giving optical skills to children comes through both music and art. . . Manual dexterity is increased greatly by piano. Keyboard speed on the computer will increase as speed increases in piano scales, etc. Thinking Fingers is a great book for learning piano dexterity.

    What a great way to develop musicians who can give expression of the great themes of God’s Word and also create visuals which meet the need of humans to see what God’s Word really means in ordinary living. Every expression of visual facts requires some form of art.  Every expression of audio facts requires some form of musical skill and math understanding — although you may not realize it. God must delight to see a child begin to learn the skills required to someday become a David  — the Psalter — or a John who painted word pictures of His very Presence . . . obviously aware of things that a non-artist would not have noticed.  (Gotta stop this!!) Bye.

  • Initially I would say music.  Sometimes it comes naturally for children.  While music was within my family, the only thing that came natural to me was singing.  I had to plug away at the piano.   My sis was a natural at piano, and easily surpassed me there.  

    Music teaches more than playing a piano/instruments.  Counting, letters (initially), coordination, discipline and perseverence.  The feeling of satisfaction after one “masters” that next musical piece is something that all should experience.

    Art is great.  I love it.  I filled in every space possible on Sunday morning/evenings as a kid in church. 

    Can art be taught?  Sure.  However I think that it is more of an natural talent that is continuously built upon as the child grows. 

    In all reality, it does depend on the child.    Recognizing that which each individual comes naturally to, and helping them along in whichever direction that is.

  • I just want to point out that I consider both music and art academic subjects all educated people should be proficient in just like reading and math. and like reading and math you may never do either joyfully or exceptionally well but a basic knowledge and proficiency in them is essential to a well rounded well educated person and will always come in handy here and there. i just feel art is more easily self taught, there are not many good skill classes for children (and exploration and such is easily achieved at home or through inexpensive random classes) and everyone I know who draws well taught themselves as adults from a book. there are no bad art habits such as there are bad form habits that come from teaching yourself an instrument. Also I believe art appreciation and history are separate from art skills and both should be taught.

    for a good art program that is easy for parents to utilize at home I recommend http://www.homeschoolart.com/ . My kids are using this in co-op, the teacher knows nothing about art, and they are making the most amazing things. My friend who is a profession art teacher has looked it over for me and says it is a solid program and teaches them some very basic skill for making good looking art and teaching the foundations.

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